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I ask political commentator Emma Vigeland (TYT/Majority report) in a way that the majorityreport youtube users (tyt youtubers trolls echo chamberers conservapedia) would want to challenge me on my views on women erasure (like below) and to have a discourse and a literal conversation with me about my views on women erasure to bring me leftward on that issue.  majority report reddit

Emma, at minimum tell give me ideas to 

better (twitter reply to Cenk on this Liam Dorris i.e 'better reframe')

 reframe majority report reddit

my views on women erasure majority report reddit so I can get my point across without offending the Liberal 2.0ers and trans community.  

Ana and me are concerned about woman-mother erasure because cis women are under attack just like trans people are. In some places femicide is a huge threat, abortion access has been made harder for US women, and there is nihilism or waryness for feminism by Gen Zers (plus the rise of Andrew Tate's macho cultists). So cis women like Ana who are concerned with women-mother erasure deserve to have their voices heard too #letherspeak

I acknowledge that trans-folks have a hard enough time as it is and that haphazard remarks (like some I make) can certainly feel like a betrayal to some people, especially in uncertain times. (twitter reply to Cenk on this Liam Dorris

At worst Emma, I would like to improve on the trans inclusive language issue like Sam Seder has in the last 12 months . Like Sam was before he got better, I am really awful on trans inclusive language, I want to at least clumsily get better with my trans language. I strive to clearly try to at least, so help me do so majority report reddit

Anyway Emma here we go (here is what you have to work with)  majority report reddit

I saw Ana's tweet here: "I'm a woman. Please don't ever refer to me as a person with a uterus, birthing person, or person who menstruates. How do people not realize how degrading this is? You can support the transgender community without doing this shit."

and I'm not certain I understand what people are upset about. She rightfully never said, in the tweet at least, transphobic rhetoric like trans women aren't women or shouldn't be called women regardless of whether they have a uterus or not.   To me, Ana is saying it's reductive to call her something other than a woman because she has a uterus. She rightfully never says ONLY women who can give birth should be called women. majority report reddit

Just like I would never call a man who can give birth a "person who menstruates". I'd refer to them as "a man who...." majority report reddit

I took that to be her meaning but maybe I'm misunderstanding majority report reddit.. But in this case of Ana Kasparian's tweet, I think since she identifies as woman, she’s defensive and paranoid about anything related to that topic. This is sort of similar to nimby-ism, just with a different issue majority report reddit. (but I am ok with Nimbyism in certain cases)

I do acknowledge ((and something for you to work with Emma in the way that the themajorityreport subredditers want) ) that people like Ana having 

mass hysteria https://www.tpusa.com/live/young-turks-host-faces-backlash-for-criticism-of-trans-inclusive-terms-for-women/ (rpl pretend from major repot redditor w twitter reply to ana mashs)

over individual women being called these degraded and dehumanizing terms is a situation where nobody wins and everyone loses and is non edifying at best and literally leaves Ana and others open to attacks by Liberal 2.0 aggressive T.R.As australian news article who in their small minds wrongly believe such views are 'laundered in center right talking points'  majority report reddit (diff points) center right rpl right wing my spin

Maybe it is worth correcting me on and also helping her at least use good PR tactics on said issue (in a way that themajorityreport subredditers want Emma to correct us on). 

Such terms are rarely used in casual conversation humanistreport tweet) . In fact I have never heard any of these terms Ana uses in her tweet outside of a few tweets on Twitter and PowerPoint screenshots where academics grasp desperately for some woke ( inoffensive inclusive) medical terminology   VaushV. 

Ana has to realize that a VERY SMALL niche of people using terms like birthing person to include trans men and non-binary does not invalidate women. (but that still doesn't invalidate Ana's concern either) 

If Ana makes these comments about being threatened by women erasure she also should more vocal also about anti-trans legislation as to avoid wokescolding by Liberal 2.0 wokeflakes  https://www.tpusa.com/live/young-turks-host-faces-backlash-for-criticism-of-trans-inclusive-terms-for-women/

Nobody's womanhood should be threatened by woman erasure  https://www.tpusa.com/live/young-turks-host-faces-backlash-for-criticism-of-trans-inclusive-terms-for-women/

“you can support the trans community without doing this shit” I get that since someone has a massive platform like Ana Kasparian uses the terminology above it can get lumped in by wokesters with the terf mindset due to those wokesters PTSD. Though at the very least, I would tell Ana that if someone on the street called her something she didn’t like that’s when she should correct them   https://twitter.com/riddlerology/status/1638947247995125761

But yeah, trans folks are having their existence criminalized in state after state and whining about language does seem to be petty Alejandra Carabello to people who are terminally online and they weaponize such things against us anti women erasure advocates. (but then again see this link for some perspectives on that)

But like Ana I am sure a lot of women don’t want to be minimized to a bodily function or body part. 

So at the end of the day what Ana tweeted is a correct and logical statement. I wonder if Ana is drafting her apology now? It’s not just that people will disagree with Ana, it’s how they’ll disagree with her . It’ll be relentless, hate-filled and with no room for “let’s agree to disagree”. They’ll be no forgiveness. And just watch the moral righteousness. It’ll be off the scale. But kudos for Ana for having balls of steel in saying it. Colin Wight, I added balls of steel in for irony

Now I also preference what I write with this: As I have said elsewhere, I am sure that no one is asking women to call themselves or to be called anything other than a woman. And I can definitely see that natomy-oriented language is used only in a clinical context, where anatomy is relevant. So maybe the whole 'stop woman erasure arguments' is like a trap set up by TERFs, so I am trying not to take the bait  mattxiv twitter

Emma Vigeland had some good takes on Ana Kasparian's anti woman erasure tweet here

Are people really pretending that "people who menstruate" is a term only used in clinical settings? AOC uses it and she doesn't appear to be a doctor. If we all have agreement that it's not what you should call a woman in non-clinical settings, great! Deal! Let America rejoice! (but even in the clinical settings I disagree but in a nice, agree to disagree way)   Cenk twitter

Its being used as a woke descriptor, not replacing “women”. None of these people are walking around going “oh, look at that menstruator. Beyoncé is a menstruator. Menstruators and gentlemen” or whatever. Theyre just referring to people who menstruator, who aren’t just women  Vaushv

It is hypocritical. A lot of Liberal 2.0er wokesters rightfully call abortion is a woman's issue (#abortioniswomenshealthcare) but these same Liberal 2.0ers do not call abortion a 'people's issue' (you will never hear them say #abortionisbirthershealthcare) even though Trans men can need abortions too. Double standards for Liberal 2.0er woke losers. 

Cisgender Women should always be called women and categorized as women/females and NOT be called or categorized as birthers, menestrators or vagina havers. The word WOMEN being 'erased' and especially being CALLED LABELS like birthers or vagina havers IS TACTICAL SEXISM AND DEHUMANIZING. Being a woman is not a feeling, there is more to that.  

Being a woman is not a feeling (https://womensliberationradionews.com/2018/06/26/dykes-take-pride/ gendercritical reddit), there is more to that. 

I will always use the term woman and mother. And nobody can stop me. It’s almost like Transgenderism is erasing women . The right restricts womens rights to have abortions and the Liberal 2.0ers and pro Transgender factions of the Left erase women. . 

 I mean trans men make up less than 1 percent of the population and I refuse to play along to appease you.  See this for more  

But let us not forget Simone de Beauvoir’s notable statement that “One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman.” On the “gender critical” worldview a person is born a woman in virtue of their reproductive capacities. On an actual gender critical worldview, we can acknowledge that a trans man is a man because of the identification processes that is critical to his authentic self-becoming. medium anti gender critical article

It is not about just “feeling” one way or another in the fast and loose sense that a person “feels” hungry or “feels” tired. It is a non reducible phenomenon that cannot be reduced to any specific set of “feelings” but encompasses a person’s complete mode of being medium anti gender critical article. https://medium.com/@transphilosophr/how-to-be-a-gender-critical-feminist-fdf6705c234a

Even though I do not support referring to cisgender mothers as ‘birthers’/birthing persons and I will never refer to a woman who is a parent as a birther/birthing person (since referring to mothers as birthers strips women away from a big part of what they do, and is basically an erasure), I will note that in mammals, "mother" is the label, first and foremost, for the organism which supplied the egg, gestated, and gave birth to an offspring. that is the LITERAL meaning of the word mother. stupidpol

All of the other uses of the term mother, whether it is figurative, metaphorical, or otherwise non-literal meanings of the word are built from that. stupidpol

We have additional modifier words to show when the literal meaning is not in play, including surrogate, adoptive, step-, foster, -in-law, etc, for the exact reason in that the literal meaning of the word is, "one who gives birth."stupidpol

Moreover the term “Birthing person" is at the very least logically consistent, even if it is annoying. "Fathers who give birth" sounds like nonsense, an empty set unless we are talking about seahorses. stupidpol

They are attempting to create an underclass of surrogate "birthing people", so that the wealthy don't have to suffer the ‘indignity’ of birthing an infant. So that is accomplished by decoupling the act of giving birth from raising a child stupidpol

If the government employees are going to be forced to use one of these terms, then it is worse for them to be forced to say something that most of them know to be false, instead of something which is merely annoying but accurate (birthing person or birther). You want to see dystopian, the government forcing people to lie is dystopian. stupidpol radfem

People can say whatever they want about themselves, but when it comes to compelling others to play along, and the goal here is to compel, beginning with government employees since they very easy to compel , we can grow more skeptical. stupidpol

The bigger issue is that we have to find a different word for social gender and biological sex. stupidpol

We do have different words for them, but the real issue is that some people believe it is possible to change from one gender to the other, other people do not believe that, and there is never going to be total agreement one way or the other. So no new terminology is going to satisfy both sides in the foreseeable future. stupidpol

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I think the issue is that this is on top of those comments, and she's digging her heels in (or Cenk is for her? I've not seen her personal responses to this, just Cenk's defenses on twitter).

It's an absurd leap to wrongly assume that Ana Kasparian is a transphobe off of her one tweet. (There is no way that people who are actually listening to tyt than a day think she is transphobic)

However, that tweet is a hot take and she should be capable of taking in new information and realizing her own problematic (but correct and base) speech. The fact TYT thus far seems intent to call criticism "bullying" rather than listen is quite frankly alarming and disappointing all in one (and I fall into that trap to unapologetically)

Nobody should be calling her literally Matt Walsh. But the Matt Walshes of the world are all agreeing with her tweet, so has the right wing cudies and maybe that should tell her something about her need to re-assess what she said and state it like I have stated my view on it, Ana can do this by listening to people telling her how (like I am doing on Trans issue), and make an informed decision about her personal beliefs as I am also doing.

That said, she's got every opportunity here to do it. "They were mean to me so I'm doubling down" is not a valid excuse for digging in your heels. It's MAGA level spite at that point that has no place in rational adult political discourse.

Trans people are fridge afraid of a modern day holocaust aimed right at them (like see here).People like me and Ana not dealing with that don't get to tone-police the response of that community to one of their own allies regurgitating the precise type of comment which does nothing to ease those fears or to protect trans people from violence (no matter how unlikely it may be)

Ana can either prove she's a progressive figurehead and a kind person by taking a cue from me on woman erasure etc, or she can double down in her ego and join the ranks of those who put their hurt feelings over the well being of others. (like I did with my previous less pc views of woman erasure, mother erasure and related trans issues)

I don't see what was so reactionary about Ana Kasparian's tweet.

Now she was emotionally reacting to the idea of being called “a person with a uterus, etc” and I guess she was being selfish by not using that tweet to also somehow help trans people at the same time. (wip)

It is weird how some radlibs T.R.As use false equivalency with Ana's tweet when they say “people with a uterus should have equal medical freedom” or “people with 2 hands usually buy 2 gloves” neither are degrading just contextual descriptions. My reply to that is :wow, omg, Ana must be a horrible person by typing up such a moderately phrased and tepid tweet. The horror! /s

Yeah man my words and Ana's on woman/mother erasure aren’t terrible out of context (still concern blunt and from our perspectives mind you) but in the context of trans people playing the victim card across the US some Liberal 2.0ers have far less sympathy for our kind of bumbling around on this topic of woman erasure/mother erasure me and Ana have been doing. 

Some trans people like the gays in the B52s song feel fairly powerless and chicken little like scared over this whole wave of trans panic and scapegoating. Mildly unapproved by the woke mom narratives or even other type of bumbling on these topics bumping through woke T.R.A tying it with outright transphobia means some Liberal 2.0 T.R.A who rightfully might have brushed over or looked past in the past really sets said wokies on edge.

Anyway at the end of the day Ana is a content creator and this is definitely content. Ana just needs to take her lumps. Accept your impactful position as a leftist news media influencer and responsibility that comes with dat gworl /s, learn and be even better. She'll be aight.

Matt Binder had his own take on the leftist mafia going after Ana on this

"It's not what she said, It's that she said it.. to publicly validate right wing talking points is extremely irresponsible from someone in her position.Giving the right the perfect line of "even AK, a progressive, thinks trans woke activists are going too far" on a public platform seems like a very stupid thing to do. Your opinion doesnt mean shit, my opinion doesn't mean shit (from a shaping discourse pov) Ana's does. She's a major political figure as a popular pundent."

My reply is: Have people against the left's anti woman erasure/anti mother erasure stances considered that maybe the degree of outrage over things like this also validates right wing talking points?

I take infinitely less of an issue with what Ana said and more of an issue with what a clown fest TYT is. Between supporting a developer billionaire for mayor, not being left wing on homeless , supporting the DNC at all costs, and the fact that they cannot bring themselves to be even nominally anti war... The whole network is trash

The obsession with the "bad takes" of people who are generally on our side is counterproductive.

There's so much obsession with purity. It drives me crazy every time I listen to a segment on the majority report and they bring up Jon Stewart. They invariably have some kind of caveat like, "I know he said some problematic things and I don't always agree with him, but... " Every. Single. Time.

Jon Stewart is a pretty decent semi mainstream voice for largely progressive politics. I'm glad they shout him out from time to time, but it's so cringy that they always have to qualify it.

Leftists are mad because she (accidentally) seemed to in their minds fabricated an issue that gave a slam dunk to reactionary’s who need those fabricated issues to validate their points. Ultimately it doesn’t matter but that is the real reason why leftists on the internet and not just Twitter got frustrated.

100,000% Forget the fact that it’s highly probable there are agent provocateurs on Twitter from various law enforcement agencies and private political agents who want nothing more than to instigate a fragmented and squabbling left so that the left never gains any real power. 

Twitter is full of everyday trolls who are just looking for the dopamine rush of “owning” someone on the left. Twitter is also a horrible platform for real communication due to the character limit, and an algorithm that prefers engagement through enragement.

Progressive talking heads choosing to post on Twitter when they have much more effective communication channels (an actual news podcast) seems to me like mankind, having just invented language and writing, deciding instead to go back to grunts and violence to advance their political ideas. It’s beyond ridiculous.

Nothing wrong with what Ana said — but the woke mob had an issue with how she said it. The outrage machine kicked into gear

She is just out of the Liberal 2.0 radlib T.R.A extremist loop about their 'if you fail this pro trans purity test you are a Rightist' rhetoric because these trans activists think if you are not 110 percent with them you are UNPREPARED for what’s coming next in their minds

This is the root of most controversies. The online left is *far* too online and disconnected. Credit to the MajorityReport crew for generally being an exception. Left Reckoning covering Cop City with Jamie was a good reminder the real world exists

A whole lot of leftists are showing their entire ass in this dust up. At a time when Republicans are transphobes of the decade, we all got to stop and concern ourselves with the feelings of a Ana who does not feel included by exclusive language (i.e the birther, pregnant people language)

Terf is going to quickly become as meaningless as woke.

My reaction when I saw Ana’s tweet - “who cares?”, there is so much going on the world that deserves significantly more discourse than what she tweeted.

That should have been everyone's default reaction.

Remember when it was considered anti-semitic have any opinion that didn't agree with Israel's policy.

Reactionaries gonna react.

Same diff', potato patota.

I don't feel like it was all that much about "using the correct words" as much as it was the fact that Ana was having a chicken little moment of thinking that women are now being called these terms in everyday life (or are under threat to be called these terms in the near future), when in reality, it's just medical and lawmaking language (barely at that). Some T.R.A apologia says suck terms are more, broad umbrella terms being used for the purpose of expediency.

Ana should have used more context and getting defensive and triggered about it as if it is some kind of assault on women for that terminology to exist. No one is expecting, nor calling for these terms to be used in everyday language, but Ana was acting like they were. If that is really the case, then I am even more inclined to agree with her

Ana was having the "I'm the main character" syndrome  coming from her in this particular instance.

Inspired by a Breadtube post; I think we've reached a point where any good-faith or worthwhile discussion has either been had or is too polluted by internet drama and infighting to be worthwhile. It's probably better at this point if people directed their energy to other fights.

For example, Atlanta is trying to build a massive cop facility, on vital forest land, so that they can train their police specifically in how to repress large scale urban rebellions and protests like the 2020 George Floyd protests. 

They're working with Israeli police to learn how to repress large scale protests, and they could even export it to other parts of the country. And I've barely heard that much about it in bread tube spaces, let alone mainstream discourse. F.D. signifier made a good vid breaking down what's happening and how you can help (although it is a little old https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJfUF6nw5Xg )

Btw I'm not trying to be holier-than-thou or put anyone down, I'm not the best at articulating my thoughts so if it came across that way. I'm just as guilt of engaging in too much internet drama as anyone else here.

I always wonder about Natal women with Y chromosomes who gave birth, are they considered women to TERFs?  trans reddit 

The word Woman means adult female human.  gender critical reddit, and the word female means animal with large non-motile gametes, or the type of organs that are associated with large non-motile gametes like the Müllerian system (i.e. female genitalia). stupidpol

These are usually produced by XX chromosomes but not every time. stupidpol

All humans are technically animals, see this and this for more on ‘humans are technically animals’ point

Think about how women have always been seen for thousands of years in that you can observe a kid at birth and in almost every case know whether or not they are a boy or a girl. So if you know they are a girl then you know they will grow up to be a woman. The natural genitalia are what defines this; what you don't need to know are their chromosomes. stupidpol

Any rational person can see that this behavior by this NYC medical official is simply due to the fact that (Liberal 2.0) whites are far likelier to buy into this birther or birthing person type of SJW nonsense language (that consists of slightly more than euphemisms for womanhood) than actual minorities would be. stupidpol

The apologists for the term "birther/birthing people" say that "birther/birthing people" was coined so as to avoid offending the mothers who identify as fathers.

The NYC medical official in the linked article above’s biggest mistake is her applying the term haphazardly along with the term mother, treating those terms as synonyms, with no self awareness of why one term might be used instead of the other term. stupidpol

As cringeworthy and orwellian as this woke Liberal 2.0 article is, it does make a few decent points here and there which shows there might be a Militantly Moderate solution to this delicate issue that the Liberal 2.0 MSM can get behind to make everyone happy. 

Maybe this article's takes on this Margaret Atwood situation can provide some ideas to fuse with the USA Today's article's ideas on this Margaret Atwood situation to come up with this Militantly Moderate solution to this woman erasing issue.  Ross Perot was militantly moderate

It sucks donkeyball that someone like Margaret Atwood who has fought for woman's rights, and who has been a model proto liberal 2.0/liberal 2.0 for years can say one thing (which is basically correct) about how bad it is women are being erased from the lexicom of officialdom (stupidpol lingo) in some respects due to good intentioned but aggressive T.R.A and then proceed to have such a so called Liberal 2.0 mob come after her for not towing the paristan line and agreeing with every one their damn talking points. 

Liberal 2.0ers are a cult, if you don't agree with them one every issue and you dear to have an independent , non Liberal 2.0 view they turn on you and trash you to force you to conform.  

I won't allow this to happen much longer, and I don't give a fuck what the woketards think of me. They will be the ones who are seen as monsters by future generations and their power is tyranny is going to come to an end one day. 

The people who say 'the way Ana said it not that she said it' did the same thing they accuse Ana of doing due to the way they criticized Ana's tweet 

I will preface what I said by saying that trans person who did that shooting in 2023 should be given a pass because he'er was afraid of a future epidemic of violence against trans people so they were only going on a preemptive strike against transphobes. You hear constantly about how trans people face an epidemic of violence heading their way in the not so distant future so it only makes sense that some trans people might hear that and be afraid and decide to take matters in their own hands to stop that.  

Maybe right-wing media like the Daily Caller whose hosts have called for the extermination of Trans people that would cause trans people to act out of fear.  twitter reply to glenn greenwald dr steven buckley